Ep. 03: Navigating Uncertainty

Dave Charest  0:02  
This is Dave,

Reese Charest  0:03  
This is Reese.

Dave and Reese  0:04  
And this is Manic Joy, a podcast about 

Reese Charest  0:07  
life 

Dave Charest  0:08  
love, 

Dave and Reese  0:09  
and uncertainty. 

Dave Charest  0:16  
Well, hello, hello friends and welcome to Episode Three of Manic Joy, a podcast about life, love, and uncertainty. And since we've done two episodes: one on life, one on love. This is...

Reese Charest  0:31  
...the one on. Oh, right uncertainty

Dave Charest  0:35  
That was very, very dramatic.

Reese Charest  0:36  
That was dramatic. I have a master's degree in theater.

Dave Charest  0:40  
Well, you're earning it right there.

Reese Charest  0:41  
There it is. All of that debt is worth it.

Dave Charest  0:45  
Just for that very special moment. Thank you, Reese for that. Here we are. Episode Three: Uncertainty. This is one of those episodes that we're trying to do some things, maybe mix things up a little bit, throw in a little bit of uncertainty. One of those things being I asked you earlier, you know, Reese, how should we even start this episode? And what did you say?

Reese Charest  1:07  
I said, we should start with a quote.

Dave Charest  1:09  
We should start with a quote. So of course, I went to the Google machine, and typed in quote about uncertainty of life. And as these things have happened for us on multiple occasions, the first quote that came up was this. "I wanted a perfect ending. But now I've learned the hard way that some poems don't rhyme. And some stories don't have a clear beginning, middle and end. Life is about not knowing, having to change, taking the moment and making the best of it without knowing what's going to happen next. delicious ambiguity." And that is a quote from one of my favorite people. Gilda Radner. How perfect was that? 

Reese Charest  1:50  
That actually is a pretty good quote. I thought it was a little long, but okay. Whatever floats your boat. 

Dave Charest  1:56  
It's hard to keep Reese's attention. Hopefully, you're all still with us.

Reese Charest  2:01  
I'm having some uncertainty right now. I definitely just ate like six slices of salami, and I'm uncertain what my stomach is going to do.

Dave Charest  2:10  
I have a feeling it's probably not going to be good. 

Reese Charest  2:13  
No. 

Dave Charest  2:14  
But hey, sometimes that happens. 

Reese Charest  2:16  
Right. 

Dave Charest  2:17  
Today's format, we're going to do our typical questions that we have prepared here for each other. But we have a surprise, we got some special guests joining us for the portion where we would typically have a surprise question for each other. So you'll have to hang tight to find out who our special guests are for that. But let's get into it as we're thinking about just uncertainty, right. And life in general, is just a big ball of uncertainty, would you not agree? 

Reese Charest  2:41  
I agree. 

Dave Charest  2:43  
And it's one of those things where I think you do need a plan, and you need to prepare. But you also have to be ready for surprise, really, at any moment. And of course along the way, with all of that you want to take some time to just really live in the moment enjoy what's happening around you. Does that philosophy? How do you feel about that?

Reese Charest  3:03  
Well, I agree with that. I feel that also you should have a plan. But you should also plan on having that plan. Not be a plan. 

Dave Charest  3:12  
Yeah. 

Reese Charest  3:14  
Which I've learned. I have two tattoos on my body one says "adjust." And the other says "this too shall pass." I definitely put those tattoos there to remind myself that not everything is going to go the way that I planned. And so when that happens, I need to adjust accordingly. And that it might seem bad in the moment. But this my dad used to say all the time, this too shall pass. And it does both of those things really kind of helped me navigate all the uncertain things that kind of pop up, especially when things are going really well.

Dave Charest  3:46  
Yeah, right. When you feel good about it when you feel good enough, because there's usually when something strange is lurking around the corner. You know, it's it's it's really interesting. In adulthood, you can probably go one of two ways where you even get more narrow minded and rigid in how you deal with what the world throws at you. Or kind of just go with it and understand that that's part of the process. How about you? 

Reese Charest  4:12  
I think there's more at stake when you're younger, you have really high hopes you don't realize how the world hasn't jaded you yet. So as you get older, you realize what happens when you make a plan. As I say, you make a plan and God laughs. I mean, crazy things happen. 

Dave Charest  4:25  
Yeah. 

Reese Charest  4:30  
So, you try to, as you get older, find ways of avoiding some of the harsh ways that you feel about things. I find that it's just best not to go out and be around people anymore. That's why people don't like going out. I get it. There's too many people out there because people ruin it. Sometimes I'm in a great mood. I'm like, I'm gonna go out for a little bit and then I'm like, ugh, people and then they ruin it.

Dave Charest  4:56  
It's true. 

Reese Charest  4:56  
Actually. That's a certainty. 

Dave Charest  4:58  
It's true. 

Reese Charest  4:58  
That's never an uncertainty. That's a certainty I'm going to go out and people are going to ruin my Target experience. 

Dave Charest  5:04  
Yes. It's too bad you can't just curate your experiences all the time with just having whatever that experience is with the people that you want to have there, or not even the exact people. But like the types of people that you know, that won't. Although I will say there are some moments where you do bump into people that and you're pleasantly surprised... 

Reese Charest  5:25  
Right. 

Dave Charest  5:26  
...which I think is that's the exciting part of it. But far too often you do get frustrated.

Reese Charest  5:30  
Well, like today we went shopping, and we were looking for a comforter, it is a big rockin Saturday afternoon with Dave and Reese. 

Dave Charest  5:38  
We know how to party. 

Reese Charest  5:40  
We do. And so we stopped in the store. And I wound up talking to this woman, which I people love talking to me. I just have that face where everybody has to talk to me. And I don't know why I try to scowl have like a look on my face. Like maybe you don't want to talk to me. I don't know, maybe it's because I'm, I'm small and people think I'm a lost child. And they have to talk to me. I don't know. I don't know. 

Dave Charest  6:02  
Where are your parents? 

Reese Charest  6:03  
Right, exactly. So this woman starts talking to me, because it was a shirt that I made a big deal about to Dave and it was a shirt that was in the phrase was in my friend Ileana has bathroom. And the and the quote on her wall in the in the frame was it was a picture of Buddha. And it said, "Let that shit go." And I thought that that was really funny because I was at our house last night. And I thought that that was funny. And then we walk into the store. And then there it is on a shirt. So I couldn't believe it. So the woman's like, isn't that funny? It's so funny. But people don't have a sense of humor. And I end up in this conversation with her, which was kind of normal. And then it got weird. And then she kept talking to me. And then Dave is waiting by the door because he definitely wanted to leave. And then of course I just keep talking. And then I looked down and there is this crate of Beanie Babies. And right on top is this green Beanie Baby. And when we moved here, Jonnie and Emily were seven. And Jonnie was very distraught that she couldn't find Green Beary and Green Beary was this green Beanie Baby, that we had a house at a soccer ball on it. And and she was she just loved it so much. And it was gone. You know, we moved we packed the house is sold. We had no idea where it was. And then today, there it is right in front of me. I picked it up. And as this woman's talking to me, I kind of quickly snapped a picture, sent it to the girls. And I said Is this Green Beary? Emily answered first? "Yes." Then Jonnie. "Yes. Oh my god, get it for me." So I showed the woman I said but how much how much is this? My daughter has been looking for this. We moved and I told her the whole thing. And she goes, just take it. You can have it. And I'm usually annoyed with everybody after a day at a shop out shopping. I'm like, "I hate people." And then here's this woman who I was getting a little frustrated with. But it turned around and she was so kind.

Dave Charest  8:03  
Yeah. 

Reese Charest  8:03  
And it made actually both the girls happy because Emily was happy for Jonnie and Jonnie was like ecstatic about it. And you just you never know when. Because life is so uncertain. When something kind and amazing will happen. I just thought I would share that. Because that made me happy today.

Dave Charest  8:22  
Yeah, so funny. We had no luck finding the bedding.

Reese Charest  8:26  
No the comforter was no, it was a big Nope.

Unknown Speaker  8:28  
But as you say, interesting that what was seeming like a somewhat annoying conversation. And you're right, I was by the door because I was like, "Alright, let's try to get out of here... 

Reese Charest  8:37  
"Stop talking Reese."

Dave Charest  8:38  
 ...because this woman, no, it wasn't you so much as it was the woman wanting to keep talking to you. And I'm just like, okay.  

Reese Charest  8:42  
She seemed really bored. I don't think she had a lot going on. 

Dave Charest  8:46  
But then to be just like that really nice moment. And and to be fair, I know, definitely when you're back in that era, you'll go back into that store and actually buy something for sure. 

Reese Charest  8:57  
Absolutely. 

Dave Charest  8:58  
So that was that was a nice little takeaway from today. Because not much has happened other than going to sign a piece of paper today. So we we spend many hours.

Reese Charest  9:08  
We traveled all the way into New Hampshire to do something and had a plan and the plan didn't... 

Dave Charest  9:17  
And then we were in Maine. 

Reese Charest  9:18  
And then we ended up in Maine. Totally uncertain day. And then and then that great thing happened. So it was a good takeaway.

Dave Charest  9:26  
Let's let's get into our questions here. What do you think?

Reese Charest  9:28  
Okay,

Dave Charest  9:29  
The question here is, what are your biggest fears? Number one on the top of the list? Not being here for you and the girls, I would say is one of my top fears.

Reese Charest  9:41  
Where you going? Just kidding.

Dave Charest  9:42  
Yeah. "Where you going?" I got nowhere to go. 

Reese Charest  9:44  
Okay. 

Dave Charest  9:45  
Yeah. So I don't know how to I don't know, how do I unpack that? Other than to say that, yeah, I mean, I think in the back of our, in my mind, it's, I hope maybe I should rephrase it as I not so much. afraid of not being here as much as I hope I am here for more than less if that makes sense? 

Reese Charest  10:06  
That makes sense.  

Dave Charest  10:06  
You know. How about you?

Reese Charest  10:09  
First thing I wrote down was clowns. I don't like them. I don't know why. I just don't like them. And anytime I've had an altercation with one and yes, I've had altercations with clowns. They've showed up out of nowhere in places where they shouldn't be, and then they find me.

Dave Charest  10:27  
Do we know what that's called? What is that fear of clowns called? You should know this.

Reese Charest  10:31  
I should know it, but... 

Dave Charest  10:32  
Because you do have that.

Reese Charest  10:34  
I really do have that. I actually my throat closes up. And I feel like someone's choking me and then I can't it's I haven't anxiety. 

Dave Charest  10:39  
And then you say, "Dave, Stop choking me." 

Reese Charest  10:41  
Yes.

Dave Charest  10:42  
Why are you wearing that nose?

Reese Charest  10:44  
That's not even funny, I would divorce you and then you definitely wouldn't be here for me and the girls. There you go. There. I'm sure there's a name for that, as I'm sure someone in the audience will know. Yeah. Go ahead with what else you got. 

Dave Charest  10:57  
Oh, what else do I got? 

Reese Charest  10:57  
I'm not gonna go into because I don't even want to talk. I mean, I could, I could tell the great Roll 'N Roaster story.

Dave Charest  11:04  
You can. Go ahead.

Reese Charest  11:05  
Okay, I'll tell it really quick. I've told it 50 million times. And everybody who knows me knows the story. Really quick. In my 20s I went to Roll 'N Roaster in Brooklyn. There's no reason they would be a clown there because they also used to have mariachi Sundays. I don't know why the mariachi band was there either. But that was pleasant. So it was with my my grandmother and my dad, and we're on the line. And then my dad goes Reese, don't turn around. So someone tells you not to turn around. What do you do? You turn around. 

Dave Charest  11:32  
You turn around.

Reese Charest  11:32  
I turn around, I turn around and behind me is a is a clown with distorted, that was askew. The makeup was a mess. Like he had been sweating, and it was all running down his face. It was holding like a million balloons. And then all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe. I was frozen. And then he goes, "Do you want a balloon?" I get this weird high pitched voice and I was like, I just froze and my dad's like, "Alright, get out of here. She doesn't like you. She doesn't like the clowns get out." Then my grandmother starts cursing him out. But and then he kept carrying on about the balloons my grandma's like, "Just give me the F'N balloon." So she takes the balloon. He goes away. My dad's like, "Alright, snap out of it. What do you want to eat?" And then I'm trying to like calm down and my grandmother, lets go the balloon. It goes to the ceiling and it pops. I think that the clown is shooting at me. So I hit the deck and I'm on the floor. And then my dad's like, "Get up, get up." Now it's out of control. And then finally we get the food. I couldn't even eat. We're sitting in the back by the window. And then I hear (knocks) by the window and my dad, I'm like, please tell me he's not standing there. And my dad goes, "Just look at your food. I'll be right back." And then he goes outside for like, what seemed like forever comes back. And he's like, "Don't worry, I took care of it." And that clown, I never saw that clown there again. And that's that story. Why was he at Roll 'N Roaster? Why was he at Roll 'N Roaster, Dave.

Dave Charest  12:56  
Why would anybody be at Roll 'N Roaster? Is a whole other question.

Reese Charest  12:59  
Why? And then why when time was I driving and I was caught in an intersection. And the car staring straight across for me was a clown with a cigar in his mouth laughing at me. Why was he laughing at me? What was he laughing at? I hate them. Go ahead. You go.

Dave Charest  13:14  
Why is there a clown in the window right now? 

Reese Charest  13:15  
Stop it. That is not funny. I need a drink.  I actually, just tried to nonchalantly look out the window.

Dave Charest  13:21  
I know. I liked the way you tossed your hair when you did that too. To make it not obvious. Yeah. So second thing I had on my list here of fears was I have I wrote irrational fear of losing everything.

Reese Charest  13:43  
That's a little irrational.

Dave Charest  13:45  
Yeah. But I think in some instances where

Reese Charest  13:49  
You mean like the house? 

Dave Charest  13:50  
Like just anything, like some weird thing could happen. And you start this, you could I guess this is my fear is that something can happen. And that just starts the downward spiral into whatever that is the abyss of negativity, like, yeah, yeah, pretty, pretty interesting there. So yeah, I don't know. I'm sure it stems from again, you know, just seeing things growing up in knowing places I didn't want to be and that type of thing. But, but even just beyond that, I think it's just the... Yeah, like, I feel like, at any time, like one thing could. And hopefully I think we're working towards where this is not the case. Right. But like, one bump could, because you see it happen to people where like one bump could cause just like a whole thing that screws up your whole trajectory. 

Reese Charest  14:41  
Yeah. 

Dave Charest  14:41  
You know, so it's not one of those things that I'm always like thinking about, but it's one of those things that like, oh, that could happen, maybe? I don't know. I try not to think about it.

Reese Charest  14:51  
Probably best not to. My other one is and it's always been since I was a kid also, a catastrophic event. Like a nuclear explosion or zombie apocalypse or an asteroid. I always have a plan though. I always that I've actually talked about this with the girls too if something ever happens like what to do.

Dave Charest  15:15  
I was like, "And the plan is, you're the first one dead."

Reese Charest  15:17  
Oh, well, yes. Zombie Apocalypse first one dead. 

Dave Charest  15:20  
Just leave Reese and go.

Reese Charest  15:22  
I'm not running. There will be no running. Big reason why I love our house is that we have that basement. 

Dave Charest  15:31  
As most houses do.

Reese Charest  15:32  
 No but it seems like it would protect us in the event of a nuclear explosion. 

Dave Charest  15:38  
Alright.

Reese Charest  15:38  
Just saying. 

Dave Charest  15:39  
Okay. I do think it's funny when we watch like what do we watch? American Horror Story Apocalypse. 

Reese Charest  15:44  
Oh, Jesus. I was not okay.

Dave Charest  15:47  
That was the whole, "This is it? This is my fear." 

Reese Charest  15:49  
Yep. There's been a couple of like, like World War Z the beginning of World War Z gives me anxiety. The beginning of American Horror Story gives me anxiety like any of those like natural disaster movies. I can't I have to fast forward through it. Oh, Bird Birdbox. The whole opening of Birdbox I had an anxiety attack. That is not fun for me.

Dave Charest  16:12  
You're also afraid of birds, which didn't help. 

Reese Charest  16:14  
I'm not afraid of birds. I love birds. Put a bird on it. 

Dave Charest  16:18  
Here's a bird for ya. 

Reese Charest  16:19  
My friend Julia is afraid of birds. And I sometimes like to send her pictures. 

Dave Charest  16:23  
I don't like birds. 

Reese Charest  16:24  
Birds in general, are kinda freaking annoying. I grew up with birds. They're just jerks. They're not very nice.

Dave Charest  16:30  
Birds don't give a shit.

Reese Charest  16:30  
They really don't. They really don't. That's what I hear.

Dave Charest  16:33  
So last for me, was being alone. And then I also put this one as earlier, I was like, Oh, so I'm gonna throw in a fourth. But for some reason, every once in a while I'll think of, and I don't I'm not typically afraid of this. But I was I start to get a little bit anxiety when I think about it, like being trapped in an enclosed space. 

Reese Charest  16:53  
Yes. 

Dave Charest  16:54  
Like, like, I don't typically, it's not something like if I like I don't know.

Reese Charest  16:58  
You don't get clastrophobic. 

Dave Charest  16:59  
That's right. I've been in enclosed spaces. And I'm usually fine. But sometimes when I sometimes my brain goes there. And I think of a situation where I be trapped in an enclosed space or when you're watching a movie and somebody is in like a something...

Reese Charest  17:10  
When people are underwater. That's when I get and they're like, trying to swim. I start getting 

Dave Charest  17:17  
Yeah. 

Reese Charest  17:17  
I feel like claustrophobic. 

Dave Charest  17:19  
But it's like I see them in that enclosed space. And then I think about myself in that space, and then I start to get anxious about it. 

Reese Charest  17:25  
Yeah. 

Dave Charest  17:26  
Very strange. And then the other was like being alone. Like I think I often think like, what the hell would I do? If I was alone?

Reese Charest  17:34  
You would make a podcast by yourself. 

Dave Charest  17:36  
Yes. It would be very...

Reese Charest  17:37  
And ask yourself questions. 

Dave Charest  17:38  
I would and I would...

Reese Charest  17:39  
Answer them. 

Dave Charest  17:39  
 ...do both the voices 

Reese Charest  17:40  
You would. 

Dave Charest  17:42  
Because it would be strange otherwise.

Reese Charest  17:44  
Yeah.

Dave Charest  17:45  
How about you? What was your third?

Reese Charest  17:47  
Well, it's kind of stupid. But... 

Dave Charest  17:51  
As compared to...

Reese Charest  17:52  
...it's an actual thing. So I have this I do not at night especially linger my feet. Near the under the bed. I have to like I've jumped in, I jump into bed, because there's going to be something under the bed that's going to grab me.

Dave Charest  18:10  
If you're wondering, it is extremely graceful.

Reese Charest  18:13  
It's really not, it's ah, well with the new mattress now kind of takes the shock. It's not as bouncy. I love the new mattress. It's nice. And then like also when I'm I'm I can't tell you how many times I've gotten shampoo in my eyes. Especially when I'm in the house by myself. I don't like to have my eyes closed too long in the shower. Because then...

Dave Charest  18:33  
Is that why you sleep like that?

Reese Charest  18:35  
That's why I don't sleep. 

Dave Charest  18:37  
Scares the crap out of me. 

Reese Charest  18:38  
Because I'm afraid like, you know, someone's gonna sneak up on me. I don't like that. I don't like when people sneak up on me. That was one thing I stopped with the girls is jumping out at me. I do not like it. That's not my favorite. That's why I also don't like I love being scared like in movies like I love zombies and scary movies. I do not like haunted houses. Like if something jumped out at me, I would punch it. Someone would get punched. I don't like that. Okay.

Dave Charest  19:05  
Our second question that we had prepared here was, what are your proudest moments as parents?

Reese Charest  19:12  
That was kind of a hard one for me to answer because I'm constantly proud of them. I want to like, lose my mind. But I just kind of narrowed it down a little bit to every time the girls show kindness. Every time they do something kind. I'm always like, Oh, nice. Like you did it. One thing I can think of is Jonnie went away for the weekend with one of her or the overnight with one of her friends and the mom and the sister to go get a an emotional support dog. So she went all the way to Pennsylvania. It was a long trip, but it made her friend feel good. You know, and Emily does stuff all the time to just complimenting people, which Emily and I talk about this all the time, how just sometimes complimenting random stranger's about, especially other females, like that dress is really pretty, or I really like your shoes. And then watching people's faces look up because you've, you've complimented them. That's always a good thing I love when they do that, that makes me happy. 

Dave Charest  20:14  
Well, speaking of compliments, one of the things I said that makes me proud as a parent is the compliments we get about the girls from other people. I just want them to go out into the world and be good people. And to get compliments about them. It just, warms my heart. 

Reese Charest  20:34  
Well, the text message, the text message I got from the mom, the next day was just so complimentary. And "Jonnie's so sweet and kind." And getting getting that type of feedback from especially like other parents is, is awesome. So I agree with that one.

Dave Charest  20:50  
What else did you have?

Reese Charest  20:51  
I put how creative and athletic they are. I mean, Jonnie plays a piano never had a lesson, Emily paints, these amazing pieces of art never had a lesson. And then both of them between track and swimming. I never did any of that I would have loved to have played music as a kid. Or I just, I wasn't so inclined with the sports and the theater was really my, my, my center point. And I'm kind of good at it. But they just at their age, just kind of excel at things that I wish I could have. And that makes me super proud at how much they strive to be really good at those things as well. So it makes me proud.

Dave Charest  21:34  
A second thing I had was I'm proud of how articulate they've become. Particularly thinking of when they were little. And we had no idea what they were saying. 

Reese Charest  21:43  
God, I, who knew what they were saying?

Dave Charest  21:46  
What was this alien language?

Reese Charest  21:49  
It was like they were speaking twin and a little bit of Spanish because they loved Dora and Diego. And I, we had no idea what they were saying sometimes I'll post videos on Facebook, and it just cracks me up from when they were little because I don't know what they're saying. You can pick out like, one or two phrases, but the rest of it and but they understood each other. Thanks to their teacher, their their kindergarten teacher. She's not Miss Krebs anymore, but she will always be Miss Krebs, but she taught them how to speak properly. Because we we had no no clue what they were saying. 

Dave Charest  22:25  
Yeah, yeah. What did you have? 

Reese Charest  22:28  
And then I put I'm proud of their choice of friends.

Dave Charest  22:31  
That's a good one.

Reese Charest  22:35  
They we talked about friends in the last episode, like our friends and part of our choice of friends. But they picked a good group of kids. Yeah, I'm always happy if they want to have their friends come over. It's never annoying, or if they go out with their friends. I don't necessarily I mean, I worry about other things. But I don't worry like that they're going to be influenced to do something bad. I mean, they're still fair, fairly young. Sure. But I never worry if if the friends are over, and I'm out for a little bit that they're gonna do what I did at my friend's house. I was terrible. And they're great. I come home and they're having a concert in the living room. They're just singing and playing piano. At one time I came in there was like a full blown concert in the living room like, okay.

Dave Charest  23:15  
Yeah, that's pretty awesome. The last thing I had was, I'm proud of how well they take care of themselves. 

Reese Charest  23:23  
Also true.

Dave Charest  23:23  
Meaning they are pretty self reliant, which is great, because I think that's the other thing as a parent, like we're raising them to be functioning adults. And I'm not worried about them. Going down that path and doing that, realistically, at this point anyway, right?

Like, they'll, when they were hungry, they'll make themselves food, like an actual meal. They make pasta or whatever they do. Like they're really good at throwing some and they're not like me, were just eight, six pieces of salami, and now my stomach is killing me. So I'm not adulting very well, but they're they do they do pretty well.

They do pretty well, all of these moments that we're so proud of and thinking about and that we're happy about, of course, are still tinged with this air of uncertainty, because at any moment, who knows what choice or what thing happens, or, for that matter what comes in the way and I think, you know, as a parent, you really can't worry about this, because you would drive yourself crazy worrying about these things all the time, because who knows what happens once they go out the door. And it can be nothing that they've done. It's just completely reliant on something else happening with somebody else, or whatever the case may be. And so, I mean, that leads us to our third question really is like what is the biggest uncertainty in our lives? And really, it is this is this being a parent or parents and being parents to twins. Let's let's let's unpack that whole situation. We got pregnant. It wasn't we got married. It wasn't like we were necessarily planning on having children.

Reese Charest  25:12  
It was all Stacy Fuller's fault.

Dave Charest  25:14  
It was it was for sure I remember that party. She had a party for us.

Reese Charest  25:17  
Oh, on our national Margarita day. That's what today is? 

Dave Charest  25:21  
Oh, look at that. 

Reese Charest  25:22  
But it was the Margaritas at Stacy's house to celebrate our marriage. We had a little bit too much... 

Dave Charest  25:31  
Or just enough depends on how you look at it. So yeah, so there was a party that led to behavior and behavior. Definitely. I feel like we were both like, oh, that just happened if that happened that that was it was...

Reese Charest  25:46  
That was it? That was TMI. 

Dave Charest  25:49  
Yeah. So...

Reese Charest  25:51  
Okay moving along. 

Dave Charest  25:52  
 ...then we so we find out we're pregnant.

Reese Charest  25:54  
 Right. Which that was really funny. Because then I found out I was pregnant. And I we go to the doctor, and I was early, but I knew. And he said, Okay, well come back in like four weeks, whatever it was, and we'll see if we could do a sonogram and then we go back, and he's like, laying on the chair. And he goes, Okay, I, I see something and I'm like, Alright, this is it. I have cancer. I have cancer, you see cancer, and he's like, stop it with the cancer. And he's like, no, there's another baby. And I'm like, No, I'm pretty sure it's cancer. There's, there's cancer. And then I go out to go get Dave and I kind of show him two fingers. And he's like, yeah, peace. 

Dave Charest  26:35  
Yeah, peace dude. 

Reese Charest  26:36  
Peace, peace out. We're leaving. I'm like, No, two babies. And then remember that car ride home? 

Dave Charest  26:43  
Yeah, that was...

Reese Charest  26:44  
We alternated...

Dave Charest  26:46  
...like laughing and crying. And...

Reese Charest  26:48  
I would start laughing. Dave would start crying. 

Dave Charest  26:50  
And then vice versa. 

Reese Charest  26:51  
Yep. And then that was a whole ride home. 

Dave Charest  26:53  
Like a good, just like a "Whoa, like, holy crap. This is happening." Kind of... again, uncertainty, like what the hell is enough, knowing that we're gonna have a baby and having to deal with all that I'm sure everybody out there has, you know, gone through this understands like that whole feeling. And then yeah, like, "Whoa, now we're gonna have two of them. Whoa." So here's uncertainty. The girls for those of you don't know, they're twins, the whole scenario. They were preemies. And they were born two months early. And we had to I mean, we had a whole scenario with that, right? We were going in for a routine visit. This is another actually this is a really interesting story, because it's one of those areas where U2 kind of comes in and plays a role. 

Reese Charest  27:39  
Always, always U2. 

Dave Charest  27:40  
So, Reese and I, we were working at the same place at the time, we had left that place. And like, Yeah, we got to go in for a routine visit. So we got to go into Brooklyn, and we got to go to the hospital. So we go down there we go to the hospital to go in for your visit.

Reese Charest  27:54  
Yeah, so let's post to get a sonogram. I was supposed to be in and out. 

Dave Charest  27:56  
Yep, routine visit. 

Reese Charest  27:57  
I didn't eat anything. And then while I was pregnant, if I didn't eat, I was beyond hangry. Like it was not good. 

Dave Charest  28:05  
Oddly enough, I had to get you a Snickers bar that day. And then they came out with those hangry commercials later on, which is funny now that we're thinking about, Hmm, well, you were on something there. But also what was happening was it was the day U2 was in New York. And they were driving down the middle of Manhattan on a flat bed trailer to film a video for "All Because Of You" was the video they were filming. Then they were driving into Brooklyn, a few blocks away from where we were in the hospital. And then they proceeded to do like a small concert under the Brooklyn Bridge. And of course, everybody when we're saying we were going to Brooklyn to go to the hospital everywhere saying like, yeah, you're just going to...

Reese Charest  28:45  
...everybody assumed to do we're skipping and going to the U2 show, which...

Dave Charest  28:46  
...which, which was not true. But it would have been great. 

Reese Charest  28:51  
But it would have made sense also.

Dave Charest  28:53  
So when we were there, the doctor was examining you and said he didn't like what he was seeing. There was some irregularities in the heartbeat of one of the twins. And so they were like we're gonna keep you here. We want to monitor some things, and they were consulting with other doctors. And it got to the point of, "Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna have to take the babies out now."

Reese Charest  29:16  
Right. And I sent Dave home because I wasn't sure if I left the coffee pot on.

Dave Charest  29:20  
So I think yeah, I had to go home, I had to come back or something. 

Reese Charest  29:23  
It was like early in the morning, and they're like, yep, call your husband and tell him to come. The babies have to come out. And I was like, bah...

Dave Charest  29:29  
What were you thinking in that moment?

Reese Charest  29:32  
Oh, I thought for sure we were going to lose them. I thought we were going to lose them. And I was extremely scared. But it was kind of good. Like my mom was there and it was kind of good that she was there because I didn't want to show my anxiety and my fear about that so that she wouldn't get scared. So it was kind of good in a sense and then but everybody at the hospital was so great. They were really good to me and kind of kept me occupied that I didn't really have to worry about it too much. And then you got there. And then my regular doctor, my two doctors that normally took care of me were not there. And we had the other doctor in the office deliver them and he was a trip. He did like a, when you have a C section, they put up this blue curtain. And so I was kind of like drugged a little bit. I gotta had all the drugs. Oh, well, the best part of that. Speaking of that, not drugs, not the drugs, but the doctor came in to give me the epidural. And so this whole time, I'm just like, trying to keep it together, keep together. And the doctor comes in and she's like, Oh, hi, you know what? Everything's gonna be okay. My name is Dr. Daddio. And I was like, "Are you kidding me?" Because that's what I call my dad. I used to call him daddy. Oh. And so when she said that, I was like, "Alright, U2, is...

Dave Charest  30:59  
...playing a few blocks away... 

Reese Charest  31:00  
...a few blocks away. Dr. Daddio is going to put that big ass needle in my back and it's all's going to be right in the world. And, and then and then you know, they put up the blue curtain and the doctors "Da da dada, da da da" with my liver and all this stuff. And Dave's like crying his glasses are all fogged up and I'm cracking up because I'm drugged out and I'm like our over know what's happening. And then, and then they came out one was crying one wasn't. 

Dave Charest  31:28  
Yep, but then everybody was fine. 

Reese Charest  31:30  
Then everybody was fine. Oh, and then we ordered the turducken because it was like, right around Thanksgiving. And when the babies came, and I had an eaten all I wanted was a tuna sub from Subway and a Snickers bar and a Coca Cola and can with the straw cold. That's all I wanted. And so babies come around, everything's okay. And I didn't even see them for like a full day because they were being monitored. And then Dave went home cooked, all the Thanksgiving food the turducken everything, cut it up, brought it over. And me my mother, my grandmother and Stacy had Thanksgiving. At the hospital.

Dave Charest  32:10  
Turducken for those not familiar is a duck stuffed inside of a chicken stuffed inside of a  turkey, stuffed with a sausage stuffing. 

Reese Charest  32:19  
Yep, it was delicious. 

Dave Charest  32:21  
Amazing. 

Reese Charest  32:22  
So good. So yeah, they were in the they were in the NICU for two months after that. So in the night, we went to visit them every single day. And the night that they were supposed to come home, we got a flat tire.

Dave Charest  32:33  
We got a flat tire on the way to the way to the hospital, because we were living in Queens at the time. So every night, we had to travel from Queens to Brooklyn, which was not... 

Reese Charest  32:43  
...fun at all. 

Dave Charest  32:44  
And, you know, that was a whole other thing that I mean, the girls were born two pounds, six, two pounds, seven ounces. And I think for me, yes, I was scared. But I try not to go down those paths. And I just kept reminding myself and you I think that they were where they needed to be, again, this whole idea of like things happen the way they're supposed to happen. And they were where they needed to be. They were being taken care of. If anything happened, they were the people there knew what to do. There was nothing we could do...

Reese Charest  33:14  
The nurses were amazing.

Dave Charest  33:16  
 They were fantastic. Everybody took really great care of them. And they really great care of us too, when we would come in to visit. And I think it also allowed you to have some time to...I mean you had those two months to recover, where you weren't having to actually care for a baby at the same time, which I also thought was was really good. And yeah, there were some scary things along the way. But we...(knocks)

Reese Charest  33:39  
That was Dave knocking on my head again.

Dave Charest  33:42  
So far, so good. They're healthy, and made it through that whole, we all made it through that scenario, you know. That was really scary. 

Reese Charest  33:51  
Dicey and scary. But and now here they are. And I mean, I say this all the time, but they're actually more equipped at life than I am. They really are. They're sometimes they're they've got it all together. And sometimes I'm a mess and I go to them, and I'm like, I don't know what to do. And they take care of me. They're really good caretakers. 

Dave Charest  34:13  
But I think that's the whole thing. I mean, we none of us really know what to do. Right? It's it's funny too, because sometimes instincts just kick in and take over. And that drives you through a particular situation. I know there are times where we're like, "Alright, what do we do with this? How do we handle this?"

Reese Charest  34:31  
The toddler years are a little difficult.

Dave Charest  34:32  
Yeah, it was. It was dicey there in the early years, but I think we managed to turn it around and one of the best things we did was give them a bedtime. 

Reese Charest  34:41  
Yep. 

Dave Charest  34:42  
And say that was it. That's the bedtime and we didn't we also we I mean, we had people in the house all the time. And so it's not like we were like, "keeping it quiet. The baby's sleeping or the babies are sleeping." It was like no it's your bedtime and we're going to do adult things now.

Reese Charest  34:57  
They learned "No." They're really good with "No." And they they're still good with "No" now even as teenagers and no isn't a finality with them. It's not like it's like no for now because and then we give them a reason why we're saying no. And they've become pretty. They're okay with that they don't throw tantrums. So what I mean, the other teenage stuff is different. I don't... 

Dave Charest  35:18  
Yeah, there's a whole other, there's a whole other thing...

Reese Charest  35:20  
They were good there for a while, like from seven to about 10 or 11. They were great. Yeah. And then the tween team thing happened. And I don't know what is going on.

Dave Charest  35:33  
Yeah, there's still good. It's just a different, different set of things to do.  

Reese Charest  35:36  
We just have to learn not to take things personally, when they get mad. It's not them being mad at us. They just they're going through stuff, and they're trying to figure it out. 

Dave Charest  35:46  
Now, there were those times where everybody says to us, how did you do it with two of them? 

Reese Charest  35:52  
It's was not easy. 

Dave Charest  35:53  
Not easy, but also funny, because it's like, I'm always like, "Well, how do you do it with one?" 

Reese Charest  35:58  
Right.

Dave Charest  35:58  
 We don't know any different. 

Reese Charest  35:59  
Right? But we were also really good at helping each other out.

Dave Charest  36:02  
Definitely. Yes, we did. I mean, I remember getting calls from you at work. Sometimes you were like, "you need to come home."

Reese Charest  36:09  
There was I remember one phone call specifically, I was like, you need to come home right now. Because I'm going to jump off the balcony. And you're like, well, it's the second floor. So you're not going to really get hurt. But okay, I'll come home. And Dave would come home because I would lose my mind. They didn't nap. And they would wake up at the butt crack of dawn until your dad got them those awesome shades that block out the sun. But I don't know if then they they figured it out internally. And they'd be up and they just, they wouldn't stop. And they were criers and pukers. They used to cry and puke all day long. And then we would do fashion show I'd be changing their outfits like 1000 times. Yeah, it was rough there for a while I get Yeah. But I was very fortunate that I was married to someone who was in it with me.

Dave Charest  36:53  
Yeah, I definitely enjoy being involved.

Reese Charest  36:57  
 Yeah. And I appreciate that of you, David. Yeah. I was very lucky. Also, I grew up, you know, my dad was always around. I never had to worry when I was too much for my mom, my dad would take over. But but then also, if I was too much for my dad, and my grandmother would take over like everybody. Yeah, took care of me. And then my grandfather, I mean, I was I was a lot. But yeah, you just no matter what you read, or whatever advice people give, you have no idea what your child is going to be like, and what is going to work and you just kind of for us, it was like trial and error with the two of them, and then making sure everything was down the line...the same. It was equal. 

Dave Charest  37:41  
Yeah. 

Reese Charest  37:41  
That was a big help. You know?

Dave Charest  37:44  
Yeah, that too. But then also, I mean, I think now, right, you're in that place where not everything is going to be equal, right? They're gonna have different friends, they're gonna want to do different things. And I think it's, it's having to deal I think, especially for you. I mean, not having being an only child and not having brothers and sisters and not understanding just that relationship that they have...

Reese Charest  38:06  
I don't get it at all, when they fight with each other over shotgun every morning. Shotgun fight, and I'm like,"Alright, we have to establish rules." I mean, I didn't have siblings. So I don't I don't know why they fight. And I ask them, and they don't know why either. But they just do. Yeah. And you just kind of figure it out as you go. Yeah.

Dave Charest  38:25  
Okay, folks, this is the part of the show where we typically have a question that we're going to ask each other. In lieu of doing that this time around. We figured because it was the uncertainty episode, we would really throw ourselves into the deep end with the uncertainty. And we've invited both Emily and Jonnie here with us. Say "hello, girls."

Girls  38:43  
Hi!

Dave Charest  38:45  
We've invited them to join us for this episode. And they have questions that they've prepared for us. Apparently, it's 6:34 on a Saturday, so it's giggle o'clock. And they've started giggling. Girls, first off. Thank you so much for spending some time with your dorky parents to be on their podcast. How do you... What are you? What's your... What are your feelings about this podcast thing anyway? Emily, how about you?

Emily  39:15  
You do you. If you want to do this. You go out and you do this. 

Dave Charest  39:20  
Very inspirational. I might get that on a T shirt. Jonnie, how does this, how does this whole podcast thing ring with you?

Jonnie  39:26  
All of my friends are fans.

Dave Charest  39:28  
Oh, good. 

Jonnie  39:28  
So you have like an extra like 20 fans because they all listen to it.

Dave Charest  39:32  
Oh, great. So how do you feel about the fact that they're going to hear you on this podcast then if they listened to it?

Jonnie  39:38  
Um...

Emily  39:38  
...pleasant surprise.

Dave Charest  39:41  
Yeah, you each have a question for the both of us or I don't know how you're going to do this. But who wants to go first? 

Jonnie  39:48  
Emily. 

Emily  39:48  
No, Jonnie. 

Jonnie  39:51  
Emily, go.

Emily  39:54  
Okay, I'll go. I'll pull it up real quick. 

Dave Charest  39:56  
Oh.

Emily  39:58  
What's my question? I think it's a pretty good question. If you can go back and speak to your past selves, what advice would you give them about raising twins?

Dave Charest  40:08  
That is a good question.

Reese Charest  40:09  
That is a good question, Emily Alice.

Dave Charest  40:11  
Wow. All right, there was a period of time, you obviously won't remember this. But there was a period of time we were visiting here with Pop-Pop and Grammy. And you guys, it was that age where you guys were just off the hook. Like we were this is, this is what we were like, "Oh, my God" going crazy. And there was a period of time where I just even started questioning whether or not I could even be a good dad. And I was like, I was freaking out about it. I remember having a conversation with Bryant like, blah, blah, blah and doing all this. Bryant is good friends, godparents to the to the girls. And if I could go back. And I hope you'll agree. But I would go back and say, "You know what, you can do this, and you're going to be a great dad."

Reese Charest  41:03  
Yeah. And you did it? Yeah, I actually would think the same thing. Because if I thought...

Dave Charest  41:12  
You're going to be a great dad?

Reese Charest  41:16  
You guys are fun when it's the three of you ganging up on me. Always the best time in my life, when you guys are mean to me. When I was in high school, I could barely take care of myself. So I wouldn't think I'd be able to take care of one child, let alone two. So I think it would be along the same lines of like, you can you could do this, even though it was kind of scary there for a while. I mean, and it's still scary now. I still worry that I'm not screwing you guys up... 

Dave Charest  41:45  
Too much.

Reese Charest  41:45  
Too much.

Dave Charest  41:48  
When you're parents you'll screw up your kids? There's definitely an element of that that will happen. But hopefully, you don't screw them up too much. 

Emily  41:55  
They're bonding moments.

Reese Charest  41:57  
Like it gives them a good sense of humor. I think we've screwed them up where they have a good sense of humor.

Dave Charest  42:02  
Jonnie, what's your question?

Jonnie  42:04  
My question is...don't laugh at me...okay, my question was, what were you guys doing at 15? And how is it different from how we live now?

Reese Charest  42:15  
Geez...

Dave Charest  42:16  
That's also a really good question. These are really good questions. So we didn't have any of these devices for one. 

Reese Charest  42:25  
Right.

Dave Charest  42:24  
It was definitely different in that sense. Like we had no way to communicate with each other other than like, the actual telephone. We didn't have any of the social media stuff. I would say. I feel like you guys are from what I know of. I mean, I'm sure there are things that you know, we don't know of. But from what we can tell, I mean, you guys are a lot tamer, I think...

Reese Charest  42:27  
No, seriously. You guys are way tamer. We would go to Susan White's house and eat a lot of food and watch Andrew Dice Clay and then repeat it for the whole night. And if you know anything about Andrew Dice Clay, it was really not anything that either one of...you would never repeat anything that he's like, I tried to make them curse in Arabic yesterday for my cousin on FaceTime. And they were like, nope, nope, no cursing. Take the fun out of everything.

Dave Charest  43:14  
This is typically where we'll move into audience questions. And so we figured we'll ask the questions, and you guys can answer them with us. How do you feel about that? 

Emily  43:21  
Great. 

Dave Charest  43:23  
Good. So the first question is from Joanne. And it's funny, because it's actually about you guys. So says your kids are two of the nicest kids. I know. How did you raise them to be so polite, while teaching them to stand up for themselves? Thank you, Joanne, for that compliment.

Reese Charest  43:41  
Yeah, I would say one thing that I think we do that's important with that is giving them praise when they get it right. Because we don't yell at you a lot. You don't get yelled at a lot...

Dave Charest  43:51  
Sometimes, but not a lot.

Reese Charest  43:54  
Not often. When was the last time I yelled at you for something? Daddy yells at you a lot.

Dave Charest  43:59  
Sometimes.

Reese Charest  44:01  
"Clean the litter box!" Right? I don't know. Okay, Emily just gave me a look. Apparently I do. Okay.

Dave Charest  44:09  
So I think for me, one of it is I think just our mentality towards this whole thing is that we're trying to raise you to be functioning adults, and to be able to go out into the world and live in the world and learn how to navigate or be able to navigate that. I'd like to think we do a pretty decent job of talking things through with you guys and helping you understand why things are certain ways or what a particular situation is, and, and that type of thing. And then the other is leading by example. 

Reese Charest  44:38  
I wrote that, too. I wrote, "Teaching by example."

Dave Charest  44:41  
Yeah. Because you know, we can say things to you. But if we're doing things that are the opposite, ultimately you're going to do those things that I like to thank you being nice to people. And also standing up for yourself is a reflection of how we are I think we're nice to people but also know how to stand up for ourselves when we need to and so that's where I would go with that.

Reese Charest  45:02  
I think they're also super smart. Like, I'll send them text messages about like, hey, just read this article about don't eat Tide Pods, and then they'll text me back. They're like, really? Like, we didn't know that. Like what I'm like, I'm just just in case... 

Dave Charest  45:16  
I thought you you said, "Donate Tide Pods." And I was like, donate them?

Reese Charest  45:19  
No, "Eat..eat, don't eat them." 

Dave Charest  45:24  
 Here's a question from Bill... 

Reese Charest  45:25  
Go!

Dave Charest  45:25  
How much time do you take in the shower? I've been accused of all day hours, all the time, whatever that means. So who wants to start there?

Reese Charest  45:37  
There's been fights over the shower.

Jonnie  45:39  
I shower until I hear Emily's voice yelling at me to get out. 

Reese Charest  45:43  
Yep, that is true. 

Emily  45:45  
I feel like there's not many things that you can go wrong in the shower. I just don't know how someone takes that long. 

Jonnie  45:52  
Emily's showers are like five minutes, she'll come into a room and she's like, look at the time and just wait until I'm done. And it will be five minutes. And she's like, "I felt like I was in there for 45 minutes." 

Emily  46:02  
I don't know what's up with that. I will go in the shower. I will be taking my sweet time doing my thing. I'll be like, 15 minutes I go out, it's been four minutes. 

Jonnie  46:14  
And it'll be like, 15 minutes for me. And I'll be in there for like 45 minutes. It's not okay. Like, I don't understand how she does it.

Emily  46:21  
Anyways, that doesn't even answer the question.

Dave Charest  46:24  
It kinda did. You take 45 minutes and you take four.

Reese Charest  46:28  
And my answer is if I'm, if I'm washing my hair, then it's hours. It's a Jonnie shower. And if I'm wearing the shower cap, then it's an Emily shower. A couple of minutes I'm in and out of there's. Unless a song comes on and I need to finish it while I'm in the shower. 

Dave Charest  46:45  
So I'm going to reveal something here to everybody listening that...

Reese Charest  46:48  
Dave doesn't shower.

Dave Charest  46:50  
...a shower, which is why everybody's wearing those masks. A shower. I'm usually in and out quickly. Five to 15 minutes. I think is typically, depending on what's going on there. But I do love to take a tubby. 

Reese Charest  47:03  
Yeah he does. 

Dave Charest  47:05  
I'm big fan of the bath. 

Reese Charest  47:06  
Yep. 

Dave Charest  47:07  
And that I can be in there for hours 

Reese Charest  47:10  
Hours.

Jonnie  47:10  
Your showers scare me because like, we'll have to go to school and like, like five minutes before school starts, you'll start the shower. And I get so scared because I'm like, we're gonna be late. But it's because you shower that fast. 

Emily  47:21  
But we're never late.

Jonnie  47:22  
But we're not late. But it's just like... 

Reese Charest  47:24  
You're not late because I take you. 

Dave Charest  47:25  
I know! I was gonna say..."Yeah, because usually your mother take you." 

Jonnie  47:30  
You're just like, "Get ready to go." And then you'll turn on the shower, and I get so scared that like, "Okay, this is it. We're gonna be late now." But then it goes so quick. 

Dave Charest  47:36  
Yeah, you're welcome. All right. Here's a question from Tina. Oh, this one's gonna get deep. Not to be a downer. But do you ever get anxious, scared, or depressed about what could happen to your health in the future? Or maybe the question is, how do you not dwell on that?

Reese Charest  47:58  
So that's why I'm seeing a psychiatrist. 

Dave Charest  48:02  
There you go. 

Reese Charest  48:04  
Because they talk about that with her all the time. So my therapist helps me with that. That's all I got. 

Dave Charest  48:10  
Yeah, I would say yes, definitely do at times get anxious, scared, or depressed about what could happen to your health and future. One of the things I mentioned earlier, was, you know, one of my biggest fears is not being here for your mother, and in you guys, at some point, due to potentially to a health issue or something like that. Even right now, like we kicked off this year, we're doing a sugar detox, I got some news after a checkup with the doctor. My cholesterol is really high. And so, you know, for me, it's like, Yes, I get worried about those things. And then, too, it's about then making better choices. And so I've I mean, I've done that I've actually, you know, these last couple of well, I guess going on a month or so now I've been you know, I've just decided to do a whole a whole food plant based diet, I'm eliminating a potential issue. 

Reese Charest  49:02  
Right.

Dave Charest  49:02  
That's how I try not to dwell on it by doing the best I can to make the best choices so that it's hopefully not an issue. Is how I look at it. And here is a question from Jen. So a common and played out question is, "What's your dream vacation?" I want to know what would your nightmare vacation be and why? That's a good question.

Reese Charest  49:26  
Think about that. I have three right away.

Dave Charest  49:28  
Okay, go for it.

Reese Charest  49:29  
I didn't even really have to think about it. A nude beach.

Dave Charest  49:35  
All right.  

Reese Charest  49:35  
Some sort of...

Dave Charest  49:37  
Why would that be your...?

Reese Charest  49:38  
Really? Some sort of air quotes "wellness retreat" with yoga and shit and no thanks. Or Mardi Gras, i think I just talked about this the other day too. I don't ever want to do that. It seems like it's like full of germs and pickpockets and that does not seem fun to me, which also kind of goes back to the nude beach thing.

Dave Charest  50:03  
Pickpockets?

Reese Charest  50:04  
Yes, pickpockets. No place to put your wallet. 

Dave Charest  50:07  
Oh.

Reese Charest  50:08  
Ewww. Nevermind.

Dave Charest  50:10  
I don't know what's happening. 

Reese Charest  50:11  
How about one of you guys go?

Dave Charest  50:12  
I'll go to give you guys a couple more seconds to think. Okay. So one of the what I said was being...my nightmare vacation would be being forced to do only the tourist attractions and eating at chain restaurants. That would... 

Emily  50:28  
That ruins it, yeah. 

Dave Charest  50:30  
...drive me out of my mind, I would not enjoy that. 

Reese Charest  50:32  
And that would drive me out of my mind because you would be miserable. 

Dave Charest  50:35  
Exactly, exactly. How about you, girls? Anything?

Emily  50:40  
Trying to think. Um...

Jonnie  50:41  
I've got something. 

Dave Charest  50:42  
Jonnie's got something. 

Jonnie  50:43  
So anything with like a spider. That's it.

Reese Charest  50:43  
So I actually I thought about I thought about Australia, because I don't think I want to go there. Because first of all, it's 24 hours on a plane. And then, have you ever seen like, the pictures of the spiders in Australia? And they're in the toilet? No thanks. 

Jonnie  51:03  
Yeah, but I don't know. I think anything with the bugs like that. Like, that's just not something I would want to do. But I would do it for the koalas. But that's about it. 

Dave Charest  51:12  
Yeah. Emily, what would be your nightmare vacation?

Emily  51:16  
I feel like if we went with people who just wanted to sit around all day. Obviously you can do that sometimes. But sometimes you got to go and do your own thing. And I think that would be a big fear of mine is going with someone and we just sat around all day, then we didn't go outside. We didn't do anything. Like you know, we didn't have the full experience.

Dave Charest  51:34  
I like that. 

Reese Charest  51:35  
That's a good answer. 

Dave Charest  51:36  
All right, guys. That's audience questions. Thank you once again, to everyone for sending those in. Thank you too, for bringing your questions to us and spending some time answering these audience questions with us as well. I'm going to do a quick wrap up and then we can say goodbye to everybody. So once again, if you want to send in questions, please make sure to subscribe to our email list. That's where you're able to send in those questions to us. If you've enjoyed this episode of the podcast or any of the other episodes, please make sure that you're subscribed on whatever platform you're using to listen to podcasts so you can get the next episodes right away. And also, reviews are big in getting this podcast ranked higher in the ratings and getting us exposed to other people. So please do leave us a review if we get a chance and share this with other people. If you enjoy this podcast so others we can get other listeners there. Thank you again for spending some time with us and having a little discussion here about the uncertainty of life. Girls, thank you for being here again. Goodbye, everybody. One last thing friends. Life is a group project and be kind to one another.